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13/02/2022 - Enregistrement 11 Part 2 - 1:23:05 05: Literature and remainders

(Q - nlc: I come back for 2 seconds on the literary aspect of Max, you insist a lot on this and I attach a lot of importance to it in my future research, but you say that the words are chosen either to give atmosphere or to give indication But that's our problem we don't know the difference between atmosphere words and indication words which send us towards convoluted paths. that we do not know how to sort correctly)

MB : if it's convoluted it's not good.

(Q - nlc: but as all the words are chosen, we will have a lot of meaning it is very complicated to have the right one and to know which ones are really there for the poetic aspect of the enigma or really to give concrete indications)

MB : it is commonly accepted that most decryptions circulate on the Internet, do you validate that?)

(Q - nlc: yes when we redo them it's clear, simple)

MB : starting from that, a clear and clear decryption, these are your own words, it is easy to see what, in the wording, has a direct correlation with the enigma or not, if there are no correlations it's is atmosphere, poetry,...
Now with this principle and at the end of the 11th riddle, we ask ourselves the question of "remainders" and we can go back and look at a certain number of words and ask ourselves if they are remainders or not, it remains accessible to the majority of people the ability to feel if certain words are there in a particular or remarkable way or if they are completely integrated into the thing to give a certain atmosphere, to give atmosphere, to color the enigma, but the words which stand out at the end, it is those (which do not necessarily correspond to an atmosphere) but those which continue to attract the eye, by asking oneself why he used a word like that, and there we must begin to understand ask questions.

(Q - nlc: I understand but when you talk about words you are talking about the words that are clear in the enigmas, not the words that we use after the decryptions?)< /u>

MB : yes of course.

(Q - nlc: but Max said that the remainders were leftovers from decryption and not plain words or that we extract enigmas like that, but things which result from our decryptions, so remnants of decryptions but not remnants of bits of enigmas of which we have not necessarily yet grasped all the words)

MB : are you sure? Did he really write that clearly? Are you sure?

(Q - nlc: yes, that's how he has always defined the balances)

MB : are you sure?

(Q - nlc: ah yes, yes I think the others will be able to confirm, he always said that the remainder was a leftover decryption that we didn't use and that's why when you talk about paying attention to words that weren't really used, which were a priori used for the atmosphere at the beginning and which why not could be used to direct us towards the pile-up, so I wonder?)

MB : did he only talk about the rest of the decryption or did he talk about the element of enigmas?

(Q - nlc: elements of decryption and possibly path towards the solution, for example he explained that if we build a wall we need to make formwork and the formwork could be the remainder, but MAx did not never spoke of enigma words in plain text but of residues of decryption or elements which allow us to progress in the solution)

MB : well keep your eyes wide open.....I think you have to keep your eyes wide open, the decryption elements, we are in Max, sibylline.

(Q - nlc: you mean that a word that we read with a poetic aspect, in fact for him it is that when we understand it in another way we use it later 'another way is that we decrypted it so we will actually use it later?)

MB : It would not necessarily have a poetic aspect, friends they can have a coloring role to give an atmosphere, the atmosphere is not necessarily poetic.

(Q - ??: when you say peeling of words what do you mean by peeling)

MB : You have to be attentive to the vocabulary used, that is very clear and at some point you will have to form an idea, an opinion, on the fact that certain words are used to give an atmosphere, others to give directions.

(Q - ??: except that the indications he talks about are potentially linked to the end of the game in which case in the "X" enigma in which we find ourselves, it is very complicated to know precisely what will still help us to reach the right solution in the enigma)

MB : no we don't have to ask the question, you go to the end of the 11th and at that moment we will ask the question

(Q - ??: yes but how do you know, in a riddle, that you have to stop and move on to the next one, when there are still some terms that you don't understand? necessarily)

MB : no, no, no, these are not terms that we do not understand, but terms that we do not notice, they are not at all the same thing, they are terms that , well they are there, but at some point, we will probably have the opportunity to reconsider them, there are no disturbances at all in terms of the progression (in the puzzles), don't make me say what I didn't say, I'm just telling you, get a more precise idea of ??who Max Valentin was, of how he worked, if we want to understand his thing, we have to know who he was, and I'm telling you that He was a literary man, so words are important.

(Q - ??: I've been doing this for a long time, but I admit that it's not easy, we know that we have to look for something in that direction but it still gets stuck, because we can't find it..)

MB : we don't have to look for it at the start, no, no, we have to solve the 11 puzzles, when we have our zone for sure, at that moment we will attack the "Super Solution" phase.

(Q - ??: the difficulty in a riddle is knowing when we really have the end and when we are sure...)< /u>

MB : there is no difficulty in terms of vocabulary, there is nothing in the puzzles that blocks us in terms of vocabulary, this will only become apparent to us later, in terms of solving the 11 puzzles, it There's nothing that can block us, he's telling us things this evening!

(Q - ??: this means that in a riddle we are supposed to understand all the words of a riddle which leads us to the solution)

MB : there is none that can block us, so far it has not blocked anyone, and it will never block anyone, simply, it tells us that once the 11 puzzles are solved, that we is sure of the area, there you have to open your eyes and say to yourself, well what have I left along the way that could be useful, and there you will have to consider different elements and in particular certain elements of vocabulary, ""there all the same eh, good! (he indicates that he said everything!).

(Q - ??: that is to say that we can find words from the texts of the puzzles in the Super Solution or on the precise card - the remainders are in the words?)

MB : not the remainders, he didn't say that, perhaps certain remainders, he was not so categorical at all, he just tells us that there is nothing that can block us in the progression of solving the 11 puzzles, nothing is blocking us, we can go all out. When we are in our zone, when the 11 enigmas have deduced an area with certainty, we have a little flashback and we say to ourselves, now I am sure of my zone, I am retracing the route, I know it by heart, it took me a while but now I know it well, so I go back to my riddles one by one, and I see them again with a new eye, saying to myself well in the end, I won't be of any use or hold on to that this thing and it is at this moment that this 2nd analysis, this re-reading of the enigmas, once solved, which can highlight, highlight, certain elements of which we will be able to say, that could well to be an element of the Super Solution, a remainder if you like.

(Q - ??: you say, in a riddle there was this element, I come back to it, I realize that I didn't use it, that's what bothers me, in a riddle I try to exploit all the elements, their understanding, before saying to myself, it's good I can move on to the next one, while it seems that MB confirms that there are perhaps certain things which we may not be able to understand straight away, but which we will have to...)

MB : no, no, no!!! that's not it, the remainder, the notion of remainder, that's why it's boring, painful, these words which have been stuck on concepts, there were no remainders at the start of the hunt , this notion did not exist, the remainders, we stuck this word on there, these are elements that we will only see later, but they do not interfere when deciphering the 11 enigmas since we do not doesn't see them, they don't appear, he just tells us when we're at the end with our zone, then we'll read again, we'll go through the 11 puzzles again, thinking maybe there are things that remained behind and they will jump out at us, he tells us "they will jump out at us" and we will say to ourselves but that means something, it's not possible, why did he use that word, it That's what he wants to tell us, but we shouldn't see it as something that we risk skipping or that can hinder us when solving the 11 puzzles. He tells us that the 11 enigmas are solved comfortably at the level of the progression, calmly saying to himself I analyze, I deduce and then afterwards, I will come back, it is a form of initiation, the resolution of the 11 enigmas which will allow us to detect the leftovers, to realize that there are things that will tickle us because we will know the area.

(Q - ??: for example in 470 there are certain items that seem strange but when you have the zone, it actually fits well with what I found in the zone)< /u>

MB : this can be imagined exactly, it’s of that order.